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"Cameo" and "Deep Cameo" Designated PCGS Rattler Holders?
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In this other thread everybody can read here, one forum member (the OP, actually) stated that he owns a 1901 PR66CAM in a PCGS rattler holder. This has me thinking...
If my memory serves me right, PCGS during its rattler days did not assign "cameo" or "deep cameo" designations for any denomination that predated Franklin Halves.
I believe I am correct with that assessment, but if anybody has a rattler that proves me wrong please post a picture on this thead here. I'll consider it a learning opportunity.
Show me those non-Franklin and non-modern rattlers with cameo designations!
If my memory serves me right, PCGS during its rattler days did not assign "cameo" or "deep cameo" designations for any denomination that predated Franklin Halves.
I believe I am correct with that assessment, but if anybody has a rattler that proves me wrong please post a picture on this thead here. I'll consider it a learning opportunity.
Show me those non-Franklin and non-modern rattlers with cameo designations!
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Interesting to view the pop ratio's back then on Morgan dollars.
roadrunner
<< <i>In my April 1988 pop report there are no CAMs listed for anything. But rattlers continued on for a while after that.
Interesting to view the pop ratio's back then on various coins. It was quite difficult to get a 66 grade on a Saint back then. In nearly 2 years only 86 had been graded....20X tougher than the 65's.
roadrunner >>
Were talking Morgan proofs not gold.
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<< <i>I don't think PCGS did cameo designations with anything before approx. 1992. I asked them about it back in 1991 at the Chicago ANA and they said there was no customer demand for it. >>
Yep
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<< <i>In my April 1988 pop report there are no CAMs listed for anything. But rattlers continued on for a while after that.
Interesting to view the pop ratio's back then on various coins. It was quite difficult to get a 66 grade on a Saint back then. In nearly 2 years only 86 had been graded....20X tougher than the 65's.
roadrunner >>
Were talking Morgan proofs not gold. >>
I think he was just making an observation about gold after commenting on the cameo's. You have mentioned your cameo a couple times and it isnt cameo? Get that thing back in for the designation! There would not be a huge rattler premium in that grade but the cameo would be well worth it.
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<< <i>In my April 1988 pop report there are no CAMs listed for anything. But rattlers continued on for a while after that.
Interesting to view the pop ratio's back then on various coins. It was quite difficult to get a 66 grade on a Saint back then. In nearly 2 years only 86 had been graded....20X tougher than the 65's.
roadrunner >>
Were talking Morgan proofs not gold. >>
I think he was just making an observation about gold after commenting on the cameo's. You have mentioned your cameo a couple times and it isnt cameo? Get that thing back in for the designation! There would not be a huge rattler premium in that grade but the cameo would be well worth it. >>
you think so? I just don't like the idea of tampering with it you know, slim chance someone can put hairlines on it. A good friend of mine sent in a trade dollar and they put a big hairline right across the front.
<< <i> you think so? I just don't like the idea of tampering with it you know, slim chance someone can put hairlines on it. A good friend of mine sent in a trade dollar and they put a big hairline right across the front. >>
Don't crack the coin out, just send it in for a grade review. That way you don't risk damaging the coin in the cracking out process.
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<< <i> you think so? I just don't like the idea of tampering with it you know, slim chance someone can put hairlines on it. A good friend of mine sent in a trade dollar and they put a big hairline right across the front. >>
Don't crack the coin out, just send it in for a grade review. That way you don't risk damaging the coin in the cracking out process. >>
i always thought they crack the coin out for a grade review?
By April 1988 PF 65 Morgan dollars outnumbered PF66's by 3.3X.
Approx 20 yrs later this ratio is now 1.45X.
roadrunner
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<< <i> you think so? I just don't like the idea of tampering with it you know, slim chance someone can put hairlines on it. A good friend of mine sent in a trade dollar and they put a big hairline right across the front. >>
Don't crack the coin out, just send it in for a grade review. That way you don't risk damaging the coin in the cracking out process. >>
exactly
Maud:
saying it is a cam and not designated is still a PR coin. Since you are adamant that it is a PR66CAM- it is a mere factor of a regrade to have it designated as such.
and just as a FYI- not all Frankies were given the designation either. Wei- I'll be more than happy to show ya one this week in Houston..
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<< <i> you think so? I just don't like the idea of tampering with it you know, slim chance someone can put hairlines on it. A good friend of mine sent in a trade dollar and they put a big hairline right across the front. >>
Don't crack the coin out, just send it in for a grade review. That way you don't risk damaging the coin in the cracking out process. >>
exactly
Maud:
saying it is a cam and not designated is still a PR coin. Since you are adamant that it is a PR66CAM- it is a mere factor of a regrade to have it designated as such.
and just as a FYI- not all Frankies were given the designation either. Wei- I'll be more than happy to show ya one this week in Houston.. >>
yes the coin is a CAM all day long, i will leave it since its not leaving my collection for quite some time, if i do ever want to sell it i will send it in, but until then it stays put in my SDB
<< <i> I asked them about it back in 1991 at the Chicago ANA and they said there was no customer demand for it. >>
That's the very same show where there was a cool educational seminar w/ HRH, QDB, Martin Paul, & many others. HRH had the audacity to stand in front of all and proclaim that "grading standards DO NOT change!".
More importantly, that is where I met St. Feldini!
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<< <i> I asked them about it back in 1991 at the Chicago ANA and they said there was no customer demand for it. >>
That's the very same show where there was a cool educational seminar w/ HRH, QDB, Martin Paul, & many others. HRH had the audacity to stand in front of all and proclaim that "grading standards DO NOT change!". >>
That's because Compugrade presented their computer grading system at that show (an interesting presentation), which would go on to codify grading standards once and for all.
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